@Jtmoney363636 I believe that free will is verry much tied into morality, because it is still your choice, and you decide on something based on how you feel, or what you believe is right, and if god gave us morality Im sure he or she would make shure we all walked the same path so we can all go to heaven or whatever…that would be way easier then gettn some chick pregnent, and send your child to die
@USMCsniperboy Why would it be more consistent if everybody still has free will? Or is free will and morality tied together? Idk this is a tough question altogether though.
@Jtmoney363636 Utilitarianism is the moral worth of an action determined by its outcome. And, the moral worth of AIDS you’ve expressed is in support of population control for financial and health reasons. Point taken, and I won’t argue that cynical approach for the sake of self-preservation, the ultimate goal. I do, however, disagree in that the possibility of spreading the disease ‘far’ outweighs the points you’ve just made. Consequently, the support of AIDS has no moral worth, and is immoral.
@Jtmoney363636 Aparently we do. Morality is the your personal reasons for doing something, thats it. My point is if morlity was god given I think we would see much more consitancy
@smo699 I am not talking about war and I do know what utilitarianism is. So, society (at least in America right now) has millions of people who are contributing nothing to society. There are also millions of AIDS carriers and other disease ridden people. I would never condone this act, but it would arguably benefit the world to kill off all of these people in a strictly financial and health standpoint of course.
@Jtmoney363636 Ok, so just for argument’s sake, what immoral act could ever benefit society? War, perhaps? But, war is generally and morally acceptable, even when innocent civilians are accidentally involved. My point is that morality could be the subjective notions of innate and objectively acceptable actions within society for self-preservation. So my question is, “when is war morally acceptable?” When its ‘means to an end’ is for self-preservation? Also, search “utilitarianism.”
@smo699 I am also aware that I can be the same way. If morality is not from God how did it develop? Please do not say its what benefits society because I can think of many things that benefit society that are clearly immoral. It is a tough question, but I believe that morality is a good argument for religion.
@USMCsniperboy Everybody would not think the same way at all because we are also endowned free will. Morality is not based upon how people feel unless you are saying that the inclination to murder and rape is morality.
@Jtmoney363636 Morality is a gift from God? Look, I believe in God, and would like to think that by taking the high moral ground that I am some how being influenced by him, but I am also aware of the fact that I might be completely delusional.
Surely he would prefer the gift and homage of reason than that of blindfold faith. So please, don’t make inconclusive statements like that.
@Jtmoney363636 Morality isnt a gift from god, your morality is based on how YOU feel about something or how YOU react to something or someone. If our morality came from god everyone would think the exact same way on every single subject, obviously we dont so god dosent give us morality we do. A quick example some people lie and some dont, some people steal and some dont and the list gose on.
@MarkatLSU You obviously don’t understand the idea that morality is a gift from God do you? We need to assume God is real and monotheism is true. So, if it is true then it does not matter if people did not believe in God at the beginnings of mankind because He, I mean to say God, still exists. Therefore, if God instilled morality in all of us then the fact that monotheism was not adopted IS IRRELEVANT.
SparksDrinker
July 19, 2010 at 1:37 am
@Kdubslugga god would be disappointed in you for insulting me. he would probably want you to apologize.
Kdubslugga
July 19, 2010 at 2:07 am
@SparksDrinker Like YOU have to be drunk to say something stupid!!!
SparksDrinker
July 19, 2010 at 2:12 am
@Kdubslugga damn, i must of been drunk, because i don’t remember. i hope i didn’t say anything stupid.
Kdubslugga
July 19, 2010 at 3:08 am
@SparksDrinker You already have!!
SparksDrinker
July 19, 2010 at 3:44 am
@Kdubslugga and who is your god? can i meet him?
LordJesus4Ever
July 19, 2010 at 4:03 am
You will care…. one day. MARK my words
BlueNile123
July 19, 2010 at 4:52 am
“I would normally use bad words here…just know that I am thinking them.” LoL
Sombomombo
July 19, 2010 at 5:23 am
@raithrover1976
lol if you got the van I got the turnips… um uh… nevermind
raithrover1976
July 19, 2010 at 5:33 am
@Sombomombo Can I volunteer to rape Palin? Please!!!!
Sombomombo
July 19, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hit Bush,
Rape Palin,
and Kill the pope.
Do this and we should be closer to getting shit done!
Kdubslugga
July 19, 2010 at 6:34 am
My god is more important than stupid politics!!!!
USMCsniperboy
July 19, 2010 at 7:09 am
@Jtmoney363636 I believe that free will is verry much tied into morality, because it is still your choice, and you decide on something based on how you feel, or what you believe is right, and if god gave us morality Im sure he or she would make shure we all walked the same path so we can all go to heaven or whatever…that would be way easier then gettn some chick pregnent, and send your child to die
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 7:40 am
@USMCsniperboy Why would it be more consistent if everybody still has free will? Or is free will and morality tied together? Idk this is a tough question altogether though.
smo699
July 19, 2010 at 8:26 am
@Jtmoney363636 Utilitarianism is the moral worth of an action determined by its outcome. And, the moral worth of AIDS you’ve expressed is in support of population control for financial and health reasons. Point taken, and I won’t argue that cynical approach for the sake of self-preservation, the ultimate goal. I do, however, disagree in that the possibility of spreading the disease ‘far’ outweighs the points you’ve just made. Consequently, the support of AIDS has no moral worth, and is immoral.
USMCsniperboy
July 19, 2010 at 8:38 am
@Jtmoney363636 Aparently we do. Morality is the your personal reasons for doing something, thats it. My point is if morlity was god given I think we would see much more consitancy
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 9:19 am
@smo699 I am not talking about war and I do know what utilitarianism is. So, society (at least in America right now) has millions of people who are contributing nothing to society. There are also millions of AIDS carriers and other disease ridden people. I would never condone this act, but it would arguably benefit the world to kill off all of these people in a strictly financial and health standpoint of course.
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 9:56 am
@USMCsniperboy Well than you and I have a different definition of morality I guess ha.
USMCsniperboy
July 19, 2010 at 10:32 am
@Jtmoney363636 actualy if you think about it, it is
smo699
July 19, 2010 at 11:24 am
@Jtmoney363636 Ok, so just for argument’s sake, what immoral act could ever benefit society? War, perhaps? But, war is generally and morally acceptable, even when innocent civilians are accidentally involved. My point is that morality could be the subjective notions of innate and objectively acceptable actions within society for self-preservation. So my question is, “when is war morally acceptable?” When its ‘means to an end’ is for self-preservation? Also, search “utilitarianism.”
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 11:41 am
@smo699 I am also aware that I can be the same way. If morality is not from God how did it develop? Please do not say its what benefits society because I can think of many things that benefit society that are clearly immoral. It is a tough question, but I believe that morality is a good argument for religion.
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 12:18 pm
@USMCsniperboy Everybody would not think the same way at all because we are also endowned free will. Morality is not based upon how people feel unless you are saying that the inclination to murder and rape is morality.
smo699
July 19, 2010 at 12:45 pm
@Jtmoney363636 Morality is a gift from God? Look, I believe in God, and would like to think that by taking the high moral ground that I am some how being influenced by him, but I am also aware of the fact that I might be completely delusional.
Surely he would prefer the gift and homage of reason than that of blindfold faith. So please, don’t make inconclusive statements like that.
Oh, and Amen, Lewis.
USMCsniperboy
July 19, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@Jtmoney363636 Morality isnt a gift from god, your morality is based on how YOU feel about something or how YOU react to something or someone. If our morality came from god everyone would think the exact same way on every single subject, obviously we dont so god dosent give us morality we do. A quick example some people lie and some dont, some people steal and some dont and the list gose on.
Baal1985
July 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Halelujah, Amen 🙂 Finally someone worth listen to.
Jtmoney363636
July 19, 2010 at 2:11 pm
@MarkatLSU You obviously don’t understand the idea that morality is a gift from God do you? We need to assume God is real and monotheism is true. So, if it is true then it does not matter if people did not believe in God at the beginnings of mankind because He, I mean to say God, still exists. Therefore, if God instilled morality in all of us then the fact that monotheism was not adopted IS IRRELEVANT.