Ok guys, so most of the men on here hate “modern” feminists, those who believe that women are superior to men (god knows we have the right to, considering how men believed they were superior to women for thousands of years…)
My question is, do you just hate modern feminism and support traditional feminism, which wants equality for the sexes and gives women the same freedoms as men, or do you hate them both and think that women should go back to the kitchen?
Guns_Fan, I was asking whether you supported modern feminism or original feminism. Original feminism supported equality, dumbass.
BigE, I love to stomp on guy’s marbles. It gives them a taste of the pain that we have to go through.
Cliffie, I do have one male friend, and he is gay. That’s how I like my men—gay. I don’t feel threatened by them.
Rio Madeira
September 18, 2010 at 2:25 am
Most of the guys here support the original definition of feminism. Occasionally, but not often, you’ll find one who opposes equality and promotes male superiority.
I don’t think we should believe in our own superiority. That would be flagrant hypocrisy.
Optimus Prime
September 18, 2010 at 3:10 am
Oh, you don’t have the right to feel anything. We didn’t oppressed anybody, and you were never oppressed. Quit your sense of entitlement.
And yes, except that original feminism was pro-life. I’m pro choice.
Mean Mr. Clean
September 18, 2010 at 4:03 am
Are you trying to say that men aren’t superior? Nobody would believe you.
S P
September 18, 2010 at 5:03 am
I support equality, not radical beliefs of superiority, regardless of which sex spouts it.
Aren’t you being malodramatic? How bad have you had it in your short life? You make it sound like you live under the Taliban or something.
Guns_fan
September 18, 2010 at 5:24 am
I believe in and support equality, that’s why I DON’T support feminism.
Feminism isn’t about equality..
bishopsinister
September 18, 2010 at 6:03 am
Since you believe that women have the right to feel superior to men because in the past men believed that they were superior to women, I assume you plan to waltz up to the first black family you see and offer to be their slave, right? I mean some whites had black slaves so I guess the only fair thing, by your logic, is to enforce the opposite. So when are planning on picking some cotton?
As for the main question women should have equal rights as men. No women shouldn’t go back to the kitchen, especially now as most of them can’t cook a lick.
Candy
September 18, 2010 at 6:21 am
It says in the _Bible that all__men and women are created equal.There is no one superior over any one ,except The all mighty GOD.
BigE
September 18, 2010 at 6:47 am
wow….Guns_fan seemed to piss off a modern day feminist by not answering the quesiton….
is a modern day feminist the type of lady the likes to stomp on guys marbles and wear leather masks and stuff..
DOES THAT MEAN I GET 10PTS….. I read ur mine didnt I…U can admit it
The Planet
September 18, 2010 at 7:36 am
Sorry, but you don’t have the right to feel superior to anyone including men. I don’t know where you got the idea the “modern feminists” are encouraged to think this way, but I do know that that kind of attitude is condescending and not what we second wave feminists fought to achieve.
jonmcn49
September 18, 2010 at 7:49 am
Are you the reincarnation of ” Object Of Its Ire? ”
Your question is too ill posed to answer.
Chevalier
September 18, 2010 at 8:44 am
I have respect for many first wave feminists but not all And I think that if I had to choose between the two I would choose traditional.
But given a free choice[ I bet you also think I don’t deserve a choice in anything because I am a male] I would just do away with feminism altogether and current feminists who ACTUALLY believe in equality I would support in anything that helped them promote equality for both sexes.
shell
September 18, 2010 at 8:56 am
What pain do you go through as a little girl of 17? You need a therapist. Grow up Chanti, no one wants you on hear insulting the guys and acting like a victim. You have no idea what some of these people actually go through everyday. Why would you want to hate anyone? What would make you think you are better than anyone? You have never been treated as badly as women 60 and 70 years ago were treated. Stop being angry for the past and feel blessed that you were born today and not back then. You had better mend your ways or you are going to grow up to be a very unhappy woman,
Bobbi D
September 18, 2010 at 9:08 am
I am a feminist, a baby boomer, a descendant of a suffragette, an activist and I don’t hate men or see them as inferior to myself.
My great grandmother rode a covered wagon from New York to the mid-west to join her husband. She worked in the fields, had eleven children, smoke a pipe, and handled most of the money. Her husband worked hard at the ranch/farm/orchard, worked in a mill, and played with his children whenever he could.
Their daughter, my grandmother was in fact a suffragette, a bloomer girl who chained herself to the court house steps with other women to make a statement for the right of women to vote.
I worked for women’s rights in the 1960’s, 70’s and even to some extent in the 80’s. I ran for the State Assembly, was in law enforcement and as a single mom put myself through my Bachelors degree, grad school and worked at the same time. My children turned out well, educated, productive people who are also good parents. I have a son and two daughters whom I respect and admire.
My husband, second one, is a wonderful man who encourages my independence, stands next to me at all times, and I return the sentiment.
True feminists are not man haters, nor do they espouse disrespect for their male counterparts. There is mutual respect and understanding on an equal footing.
Cliffie
September 18, 2010 at 9:21 am
Most men and women support equality between sexes, including me.
I don’t hate modern feminism, or even modern feminists like yourself. I do believe that any *-ism which places any arbitrary collection of people above another is simple bigotry. By extension, I consider you a bigot, and worthy of pity, not hatred.
Some US justice department report said that crimes committed by black people against white people are NINE TIMES more common than crimes committed by white people against black people. Guess what? Judging an individual black person by the mere fact that their skin color is the same as all those criminals is still bigotry.
Collectivism is a cancer in modern society. Partisanism, sexism, racism, and curiously most so-called “anti-racism” is just that.
I bet you have male friends, and I bet you don’t torment them about your prejudices against men. Try giving men you don’t know the same benefit of the doubt.
Also, I do appreciate you making the distinction between those two groups of feminists.
♥ ~Sigi~♥
September 18, 2010 at 9:42 am
I disagree with your assumption in your question that there is a “modern feminism vs. original feminism”.
If you know what feminism is you know it has the same basic goal and values. The issues have changed when progress was made in some places, that’s all.
But for real if you knew what feminism is than you would not be asking this question.
Leslie
September 18, 2010 at 10:34 am
Did you make up the term “Modern Feminist” because i have never heard it before. There is one definition of feminist and that is equality for all.
The term you are looking for is man-haters. So the real question is can a man-hater be a true feminist?
hopscotch
September 18, 2010 at 10:59 am
Any attack on feminism is greeted with the same emotional knee-jerk response:
“Why do you hate women?!!!! Why do you want to take away women’s rights!!!!?”
Men simply don’t like the ridiculous attempt at gaining equal “outcome” vs the fight for equal “opportunity.”
Communism always fails for a reason. Modern feminists haven’t learned that yet.
Modern feminism is about painting ALL men with the same broad brush as abusive “patriarchs” that want to control women.
The sour grapes attitude of “yea, well women had to deal with (insert oppression) so now men have to” is nothing more than immaturity & spite.
Self respecting men & women that TRULY respect men (not just giving the usual “I have lots of male friends” proclamation while disrespecting them at every turn) …have abandoned the “feminist” tag.
path less travelled
September 18, 2010 at 11:48 am
It may help if you would distinguish modern feminism from original feminism from traditional feminism.
This is far too serious a subject to treat lightly. We need only look about us and behold how many very unhappy women there are in just the United States alone — though I might add as well that such is completely understandable given history.
Yet, in any case, and true to any “ism,” — proof is in the go of it, not in the show of it.
Many, many women of today, especially those in their 70’s and 80’s who have sons, see the folly in much of the modern women’s plights: they see that these feminists of today are centered on a seeming, perverse vengence. They, too, realize the wrongs women have undergone more than could anyone before this time but most important can see the essence that enough is enough as regards reprisals against men.
Even now these selfsame feminist daughters, and many women generally feminist or not, are the greatest antagonists to not men — but to their own mothers, which relationships get quite insolvent if not flat-out vicious.
No woman and mother will regard you with favor if you should dare accost her child or in this case specifically, her son. Sadly, is women’s viciousness growing increasingly common, where in increasing office places throughout the nation — almost is it unconsciously done if not graphically evident — that men, strangely so, are scarcely found anywhere — only women: the integral events and needed starts are in stasis. A certain catalyst is lacking.
Men ‘are’ verily coming around to the wrongs, and I should add, this is coming in not slowly now.
Now, it is this — voids occur wherever and whenever an imbalance of genders is present, amid any medium of endeavor. Women alone will not resolve of anything. Men alone will not, either. Day depends on night that day can exists; and night depends on day to be night.
‘That’ is the great test before us now. Whether feminists choose to concede or not — they will have first to learn from men how systematics operate; they must be willing to set to and listen and observe and learn from those who know dynamics, forces, dimensions, and the consequences of not seeing broadly into the workings of things and mechanisms. And men must be willing to share it, else things in this world will grow worse.
The needs and selfsame places where the women are dominant are now not only remiss of men but averse to even having men in their centers of endeavor, which not only is saddening but somewhat dangerous in terms of wielding of these natural eddies and forces of life: there are simply some things women are adept at performing; and some things that men are apt and ept at performing. That is, there is just that certain spin of things that is unique to each gender, and little can be done or said about it: it is in the genes and stars.
Such is evident as early as that of the toddler ages. One knows what these are without needing to explain it. It is nature itself.
This has nothing to do with typecasting such as, “A woman’s place is in the kitchen or bedroom.” That we should all know is bigoted, prohibitive, and backward thinking; at least is this the lie. Women’s great efforts of the 2nd World War bear this out, without whose import the War would have been lost to Hitler and Tojo, unequivocally so.
Things are not carried so much in what one does but how one does it and its underlying purpose: this is what distinguishes the two genders.
Now, this must be borne in mind: no woman or women shall ever move onward if she or they, respectively, should bring upon men what men have brought upon women, for then things will surely telescope and collapse most quicky, for now is no longer a time in which such things can or will be held proper in the courts of law or the court of life, respectively. To continue what ensued for thousands of years — that is, to protract mistreatments –will not be quelled by “returning fire.”
Strange it is that to lambast men today is even thought cute, fashionable, intelligent. ‘Most peculiarly perverse. For little could be further a thought from the truth.
Life now moves at a blinding pace, for we now see more than ever of how in disarray things are in this world. Causations of all sorts will likely and surely be brought before the High Councils of Life itself in such manner as to make one’s head spin; this, as never before.
There shall come a time when men and women, boys and girls, may bring to balance — either by will or imagination — the heart with the mind. We should hope that the second of these two options is chosen, for ‘will’ is what got us into this great world mess in the first place.
Finally I shall add here: some six to seven thousand years ago women were the then antagonists of the better economies of Life. They violated and corrupted societies then in no different manner than what men have done since that time. Humankind has now to ward against this looping cause and effect lest great damage may well be rent upon the planet given the high techological capabilities existent today matched with the wholly wrong points of view evident in women and men about Life.
Roman
September 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm
The most repugnant form of feminism would be those feminists who believe in the right to kill their preborn offspring.
Fortunately, there is a group called “Feminists for Life,” which brings dignity and virtue to those fighting for equality, non-violence, and respect.
redblooded shivers
September 18, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Well if you are thinking you are a feminist, you are sadly mistaken, that’s if you are female.
If you are someone who’s trolling to bring down feminism’s name even further, then don’t insult other people’s intelligence by assuming that they can’t see what you are up to. Who do you think you’re fooling?
As for your additional comments, how much of a misandrist can one person be by saying you like to stomp on men’s balls, that you don’t like men unless they’re gay, and women are superior to men?
You aren’t La Rose reincarnated are you by any chance?
ksoileau
September 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I think a recent answer by Chani says it all:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AmeB8cEiTa53gevQRyFF5wHsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071222211656AAbMi3n&show=7#profile-info-UfqD6lB6aa
Russell H
September 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Man you’ve asked some strange questions…. Are you okay?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ah96iZnnAV8RmQH4tnofLlLty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071011193144AAG6Exw
vintner
September 18, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Where do you get your ideas about modern feminism? That’s silly!
And why would you address your question to people you don’t even like?
Kitsune
September 18, 2010 at 2:18 pm
My dear you ask a very loaded question.
Modern feminism is just and should be a revitalized version of ‘original’ feminism. I’m afraid that our generation of women is falling victim to the belief women are higher on the social food chain then men. Yet by exercising this belief you are hastily showing these people that feminists are the female equivalent of a male chauvinist.
I can understand that you may feel threatened by men. Its true that on average a woman makes 75 cents for every dollar a man makes if they work the same job. (This does not really include movie/television/radio stars) many male Republicans do believe (I say many not all) that women are generally let at home and men work. It is very easy to feel that men are controlling dominating sons-of-bitches who just want you to get married and see how many kids you can pop out. Not all men are like that.
Now I grew up in a diverse home. My there is a republican and an equal-rights supporter. My mother was a very devout feminist and so far left you couldn’t see her. My parents loved each other very much, and both raised me to be a feminist. My right-wing father was so proud when I came out as a lesbian to my family 2 years ago. He didn’t care. Correct me if I’m wrong but I assume you and I share the rainbow, no?
Don’t be a man-hating neurotic. I prefer relationships and sex with women but many of my lose friends are straight men. There are straight men that support women’s rights as much as we do.
Don’t bash men. We feminists have so many other things we could be doing. Help women in abused and battered homes. Liberate women from dead-end relationships. Support women like Somaly Mam. She was a former sex-slave in Cambodia who is helping thousands of young girls and women who are being raped and forced into prostitution.
Honor the women who came before you and starved for the right to vote. Vote any time available. Support the equal rights amendment. Be a voice to the women who don’t have a voice. Pray for the dead but fight like hell for the living. -Mother Jones.
Don’t sit and bitch, take charge and make something out of feminism. Stop whining about a few men who don’t like women. Who don’t think they should work. Get down on your hands and knees and thank god you can vote, you have a voice. You trample on your ancestors who gave everything so you could do these things as a woman.
You are a woman, you are a feminist, and you are still a human being. Never forget that.
Those of you who are interested about getting involved please contact me at v_swangin@yahoo.com