In a recent event from the Atlanta Civic Center, Ravi Zacharias answers a tough question about religious freedom- specifically the freedom to disbelieve- in other countries. From the DVD titled “Is America Really Christian.”
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Compulsion in religion and the freedom to disbelieve
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Ratchet25
January 27, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Kid at the end: “I like turtles…”
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 7:09 pm
@suddenlysarah Well, all I can do is wish you a lot of pain and suffering, so that you can enjoy a lot of happiness. You have carefully tiptoed around the question of… the suffering of the innocent…. because you have no answer.
suddenlysarah
January 27, 2011 at 7:35 pm
@tallliza good and bad are evaluative statements. when you place value on something there is a negative and a positive almost always, and if you do not accept that fact then you must atleast acknowledge that there is an opposite to each evaluative. suffering is the opposite evaluative of pleasure. if you want to argue language we can go on like this for day, but the fact remains that you are the one taking the meaning out of words and then trying to acuse me of the b.s.
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@suddenlysarah— without suffering there would be no pleasure. — What an immature uneducated statement. Thus you can`t enjoy the summer without remembering the Winter, How silly. You are indeed bleating theological bullshit.
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 8:55 pm
@suddenlysarah That`s very romantic, but like ” Snowwhite and the 7 Dwarfs ” it has nothing to do with reality. If god shouts throug pain, this loving god has a lot of shouting to do. So to rouse a deaf world, 100 000 innocent kids have to preish. What a loving father !! Give me a reasonable answer, why god would allow 100.000 lifes to be created, and loved by their families, to cut them down before reaching adulthood ?
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@suddenlysarah I ask you clear questions, but you prefer to hide behind theological blablabla. Because if you answer my questions you must conclude, that there can be no loving, caring, compassionate, just,almighty god . Unless his caring and loving is totally different and has no human aspect. If this god does not have the elements under his control, why are Christians praying for rain, why are the praying for the sick, for pregnancies, whatever ?
suddenlysarah
January 27, 2011 at 10:04 pm
“But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” –C.S. Lewis from The Problem of Pain
suddenlysarah
January 27, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@tallliza it’s not theological b.s., it’s your answer. would you ask a question about astrology to an astrology student and then respond to his answer with “i have enough of this astrological b.s.”? If you aren’t willing to accept the truth then you aren’t looking for an answer at all. you must do the research to find the answers and when you find god life becomes so much easier. without suffering there would be no pleasure. every evaluative has a positive and a negative side to it.
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@suddenlysarah I have enough of this theological bullshit. Does god have the elements under his control, yes or no ? Is god omnipotent ? Is your god loving, caring, compassionate ? Yes or no !!Then why do innnocent children have to suffer. A loving caring compassionate earthly father would not allow that to happen.
suddenlysarah
January 27, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@tallliza If there is good, you are assuming there is evil. if you do not have any bad in your life then you also will know no good. you might benefit from looking into more of ravi zacharius’s videos or looking up c.s. lewis’s the problem of pain. the answers are really obvious when you take the time to research them. suffering is part of the human condition, the bible says we will suffer and no christian is claiming that suffering isn’t part of the deal
tallliza
January 27, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@stephjh2006 That`s again totally besides the point ? How can you talk about and defend the idea of a loving, compassionate, caring, just god, who lets the INNOCENT suffer. Why create lifes, let them be loved by their families and then cut them down before adulthood ? Can there be any loving purpose behind this ?
stephjh2006
January 28, 2011 at 12:05 am
@tallliza So do you believe God should just let all in? Or is there to be a standard? Is there any justification for excluding some?
stephjh2006
January 28, 2011 at 12:57 am
@tallliza and so do we
tallliza
January 28, 2011 at 1:08 am
@UncleIrv Your comments are irrelevant and besides the point. Show me how you can believe in an almighty , loving, caring god. yet when 100.000 INNOCENT children are dying he looks the other way.
UncleIrv
January 28, 2011 at 2:04 am
@tallliza
Your comments are incoherent. You are also changing the subject.
Don’t try to squirm out of it. It’s very clear what you said. You claimed that the fact that we have a free will to either accept God or reject Him is evidence that “There is no loving God”—your words.
I pointed out the illogicality of your argument. Now you’re attempting to equivocate.
Are you a person of integrity? There is no shame in simply admitting that your previous argument is more than a bit ironic.
tallliza
January 28, 2011 at 2:10 am
@UncleIrv Don`t you have free will because because your goverment imposes a lot of restrictions ? What has free will to do with the protection or not of the innocent ? I do not choose to deny god. That`s your biased imagination. I find no evidence for a deity. Period.
UncleIrv
January 28, 2011 at 2:26 am
@tallliza
So you would rather be a ROBOT, pre-programmed to believe in God, without any choice? Would that be meaningful to God?
The irony is that YOU YOURSELF are choosing to deny God’s existence—while at the same time condemning God for giving you that choice!
This is the insane stupidity of so much atheism.
tallliza
January 28, 2011 at 2:29 am
@UncleIrv –God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. What loving father om earth would do that, allow his children to wander to their destruction, when he can easily prevent it?? There is NO LOVING god. Period.
Draous1
January 28, 2011 at 2:36 am
@mehadal John 3:16-21 and John 20:26-29.The exact statement you are looking for is not word for word in the bible. But the evidence is considerable regarding the number of times he is worshiped in the same way only reserved for God and he never rebukes those that do so. God Bless
mickdukes
January 28, 2011 at 3:30 am
@Pist0l1 “No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:18
Owned.
UncleIrv
January 28, 2011 at 3:41 am
@tafxkz
You can’t successfully criticize Christian beliefs by misrepresenting them in a straw man attack. So let me correct you.
God doesn’t send His (your inference) “children” to hell. God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. But He offers ALL PEOPLE the free gift of adoption as his children, with eternal life, if they choose to accept it. This is quite different from your portrayal.
Also, the Koran diametrically opposes the bible on many key points.
ElasticGiraffe
January 28, 2011 at 3:53 am
Why is Jeff Foxworthy moderating for Ravi Zacharias…? lol
AGBuir
January 28, 2011 at 4:31 am
Where is this from? I want to see the rest of it!
Judgement220
January 28, 2011 at 5:29 am
Amen what Ravi said @5:50, I don’t believe in a theocracy either, Men are too wicked and will twist religion selfishly as a bludgeon for power.
tafxkz
January 28, 2011 at 6:23 am
How different is a God who sends disbelieving children to hell in comparison with a father who will kill a disbelieving daughter?
How is the Islam he berates not in a time-warp that is from the very scriptures Ravi believes in?